Comments on: Some democracy, America

By: Syed Waris Ali

Syed Waris Ali — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:13:42 +0000

Dear Sir Anwaar,
Your pen is as brave as was your cockpit. I am delighted to read your thoughts.
I am baffled by contemporary form of democrac[z]y. Is the democracy only limited to vote and elect a leader or it is just one of the dominos of the complete system? It is quite euphoric to name it a democracy when only 31% or 21% can make an election for the rest. Then for four or five years, they accept whatever the elected then decides. Vis-a-vis, the elected pay no heed to the peoplesâ€™ agitation, cry and demonstration against any forthcoming decisions of national or international level. People do not remain part of this democracy anymore. Democracy remains for the day they voted and made a choice. Governance of the people, by the people, for the people evicts from this process. Democrazy!
Impeachment trial kicks in against a leader committing wrong at personal level. No one dares to ask to impeach a leader or leadership committing hegemonic crimes at humanity level. Democrazy!
A small percentage of voters from masses can possibly elect a nincompoop or heretic. It is constitutionally a legal process because headcount matters more than brain count. Democrazy!
Decisions through consultation of the congress of men have strong merit, no doubt. With the lobbyist working in the hind side, it is democrazy.
Is contemporary voting model the only funnel to achieve democracy? Do the other models exist? Just a thought, what is wrong with this voting system – democracy?
Irrespective of literacy rate of a nation, not Tom, Dick or Harry, but an assembly of learned (brain count) of various fields consult, vote and elect a future leader or leadership for certain term. This leadership then goes to the same or another assembly for consultation and decision-making. Smaller the assemblies, easier it will be to prevent it from any form of corruption. Judiciary can keep supervision on this executive body of the government. This form should be able to avoid manipulation of the masses by potential leaders, besides controlling horse-trading thereby least or no corruption possibilities. Moreover, no election expense, no fundraising and corporate manipulation of the future leaders. I guess this has been the form of election before this mass voting system started.
Two leaders in video link below averted a war. Their dialogue speaks of piety and care of their people. Which election model were they product of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTEhNa2NNO4

Regards,
Syed Waris Ali

By: mpcasey

mpcasey — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:59:44 +0000

Hi you Guys
Keep discussing. You are all aiming in the same direction and hate the status quo. That is to be commended. Each in your own ways you seek freedom and justice for all.
Margaret

By: Anwaar

Anwaar — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:44:20 +0000

I should have been more specific on Hathaway’s comment Tom. My mistake.

Any one who has ever read me knows what views I hold on religions. However, it was on paras like the following that I do agree with Hathaway;

“While many politicians use their pulpits to tout â€œdemocracy,â€ isnâ€™t it strange that no one ever tries to define it? America was founded as a constitutional republic whose most wonderful quality was that it limited government to a very minor role, permitting the dynamics of struggle to evolve the society to an ever higher state. Individuals were responsible for themselves, and those who defaulted were free to fail. Just like natureâ€™s law of â€œsurvival of the fittest.â€ Such freedom permits genetic or social progress, wherein the best of men will lead the entire society to higher levels. Our founders warned of the danger of letting the republic degenerate into a democracy.”

and,

“No, sir, we have neither a republic nor a democracy. We have an oligarchy whose agenda is not known to the people, nor even the identities of those who rule over us.

Further, the Iraq war is going more wonderfully than the elitists could have hoped. The Middle East is in shambles, with four civil wars in progress inside Arab nations, plus the irreconcilable divisions within Islam itself.”

Anwaar

PS : And please do disagree Tom whenever you feel I have been in error according to your opinion. How else would we continue an educated debate.

By: Virgil

Virgil — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 05:16:54 +0000

Good piece, Anwaar, I don’t think I have had three seconds of freedom in the USA since 1967; and since about 1972 I have had the rights of a laboratory animal.

Regards,

Virgil

By: Tom Edgar

Tom Edgar — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:36:33 +0000

Well I didn’t think I would,openly, disagree with Anwar. Whilst Hathaway’s diatribe had some truths
he descended into Biblical nonsense, I make allowances he is after all from Virginia.

To agree with this religious nonsense is to capitulate completely. “It is foretold in the Bible.” So why bother fighting? Everything will come out in the “Prophesised” wash gleaming white.

Face it. Not only is the U S A not a Democracy. No other country can truly claim that distinction.
Other nations in the “Western” world approach it to greater or lesser degreesbut I know of none that have a system where the people have any say other than at elections where they vote in the next set of Dictators for varying periods.

To quote, or misquote, Winston Churchill. “Democracy is a terrible system of Government but it is, so far, better than any other prevailing.” Allowing that the term “Democracy” is used with a large degree of poetic licence, the ideal is still true.

Leaving it to some maginary supreme being, whatever (s)he may be named, to come along on an even more imaginary date to fix things up will only see things become worse.

No ethereal being will call Bush, Cheney, Rove, Blair, or Howard and their followers to account.

I despair at the thought that people of adult years would even think this way. Enough to make me stop trying. Tom Edgar > tomedgar@halenet.com.au

By: jim slaybaugh

jim slaybaugh — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:42:53 +0000

Anwaar:
Accurate,Articulate,Honest,and Incisive.
I am 70 and I lost faith in the system long ago.
The Military/Industrial/Political Complex rules and
democracy has been dead for a long time.
Thank you for speaking the truth.
jim

By: Anwaar

Anwaar — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:26:04 +0000

Roger Hathaway of Southwest Virginia, you have said what I could not, despite my best efforts.

Salutes for that.

Anwaar

By: Roger Hathaway

Roger Hathaway — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:19:02 +0000

While many politicians use their pulpits to tout â€œdemocracy,â€ isnâ€™t it strange that no one ever tries to define it? America was founded as a constitutional republic whose most wonderful quality was that it limited government to a very minor role, permitting the dynamics of struggle to evolve the society to an ever higher state. Individuals were responsible for themselves, and those who defaulted were free to fail. Just like natureâ€™s law of â€œsurvival of the fittest.â€ Such freedom permits genetic or social progress, wherein the best of men will lead the entire society to higher levels. Our founders warned of the danger of letting the republic degenerate into a democracy.
A democracy is a form of socialism in which the majority who are less educated and less capable get to vote the profits of producers into their own pockets. As we have seen, that lower echelon of society has become arrogant and defiant and reigns supreme over the achievers, just like ants over aphids. The bizarre irony is that ants are truly industrious while our masses are sluggards. Yet, they both rule over the producers!
The bizarre is quickly understood when one realizes that the welfare-demanding masses are not actually ruling, but are mere pawns of a small number of elitists who operate the puppet strings from behind the curtain. They are, of course, the Jewish bankers and investment groups who own the corporations, along with the food and fuel supplies. That elite group of Illuminists can afford to pander to the lazy masses by giving them a small portion of their plunder.
No, sir, we have neither a republic nor a democracy. We have an oligarchy whose agenda is not known to the people, nor even the identities of those who rule over us.
Further, the Iraq war is going more wonderfully than the elitists could have hoped. The Middle East is in shambles, with four civil wars in progress inside Arab nations, plus the irreconcilable divisions within Islam itself. America, Britain, and Europe are all disintegrating economically and socially and culturally. The victory over European Christian culture is within reach.
Mr. Hussain, you speak of mediocrity becoming the rule. Well, that is but a temporary condition as we descend toward total collapse. The most difficult notion for any decent person to ever realize is that there is an evil power being exercised deliberately, intentionally, by those who seek our destruction. No person of noble ideals could ever work the destruction of this world like the present powers are doing. Only Satanic cleverness and deceit could accomplish what they are doing. I believe that the moment will come when it will be revealed that the rulers are true Satanists, really worshiping a Satan in whom they believe. I wonder if you have seen the many photos of Pres. Bush, his wife, and even his daughters, making the Satanist symbol with their hands. The salute is to fold the two middle fingers over so the index finger and the pinky are straight. This salute is known to all occultists and Satanists of the world. Pres. Bush even made the salute while posing with Queen Elizabeth and her husband, along with Mrs. Bush on the capitol steps. How brazen! He must feel that victory is but a small step away yet. But, it is difficult for good-hearted people of the world to admit into their conscious minds such a horrific truth that Satanists are attempting to destroy the worldâ€™s civilizations in order to achieve their version of hell on earth. And, what jars me greatly is the idea that simple men could not achieve this on their own, but that there really must be such a power behind them to guide them.
Our Bible says, â€œwe war not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of the darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.â€
The good peoples of the world just do not know the identity of the enemy who has us nearly destroyed, and who more boldly and gleefully begins his victory dance. Our Bible reveals the true descendants of Jacob/Israel to be Godâ€™s chosen ones. Those twelve tribes had emblems on their flags which still fly over the nations of northern Europe. The Bible reveals the descendants of Esau/Edom to be those who took over Judea and Jerusalem through their Herodian leaders before Jesus was born, and those same Edomites retained the name Judeans (Jews) as they were dispersed into Italy, Spain, and eastern Russia (Khazaria). Those Edomites are the same genetic descendants of Esau who rule over the world today, just as Isaac promised to his son, Esau, -that he would have his time of dominion over Jacob. Yes, Esau is having his dominion, and we are unable to prevent it because it is in accord with Godâ€™s Divine Plan. God is using Satanâ€™s people to accomplish the complete destruction of world civilization, just as the prophets foretold.
So, while the Edomites are exercising ever greater injustice, they are accumulating more and more debt which will bring forth the annihilating wrath of God on their heads. Yes, Esau has a time of dominion, but he does not have to use it for injustice and evil. For those crimes, he will pay several times the penalty of what he has done.
The great battle of God, called â€œArmageddon,â€ is underway. I rage at the injustice of our enemy, but I also smile because I know the end of the play. It will be a theocracy, neither a republic nor a democracy!
Roger Hathaway, in southwest Virginia