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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Pakistan: Weeping for the Fatherland</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] moving post at Truth Spring on the lives that are lost in Pakistan as violence strikes frequently.   Share [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Masroor ul Hassan</title>
		<link>http://truthspring.info/2007/10/22/pakistan-my-fatherland-i-weep-for-thee/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Masroor ul Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maulana Azad once said while commenting on Pakistan&#039;s independence,&quot;India is a reality and Pakistan an experiment&quot;. Yes, it was and I agree. But was independent Ireland not an experiment too? Why Ireland qualified to join EU before the &quot;reality&quot;, The Great Britain? Simply because there were no Iskandar Mirzas, Ayub Khans, Bhuttoes, Zias and Musharafs. Pakistan&#039;s experiment was dealt a near fatal blow in 1971. The wing that survived is at the fringes of total collapse and complete failure as a state. WEEPING is NOT going provide sufficient water for preventing its ship from running aground. There has to be RAIN of mercy from Allah and Allah only helps those who get up and help themselves. I think Michelle&#039;s remarks are very pertinent.

Anwaar I love you for the commitment and courage and have decided to join hands with you in your struggle. Our nation has several weaknesses which are being tactfully exploited by those who mean no good to us. I shall write a few of them in my next post. We as a nation are displaying a frightening indifference which was characteristic of French nation before the mighty french revolution. Are the days of toddies of the west and tyrants like Mushraf and BB numbered numbered now? Is it time now to get up and move. Is it time now to change a shove into a push?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maulana Azad once said while commenting on Pakistan&#8217;s independence,&#8221;India is a reality and Pakistan an experiment&#8221;. Yes, it was and I agree. But was independent Ireland not an experiment too? Why Ireland qualified to join EU before the &#8220;reality&#8221;, The Great Britain? Simply because there were no Iskandar Mirzas, Ayub Khans, Bhuttoes, Zias and Musharafs. Pakistan&#8217;s experiment was dealt a near fatal blow in 1971. The wing that survived is at the fringes of total collapse and complete failure as a state. WEEPING is NOT going provide sufficient water for preventing its ship from running aground. There has to be RAIN of mercy from Allah and Allah only helps those who get up and help themselves. I think Michelle&#8217;s remarks are very pertinent.</p>
<p>Anwaar I love you for the commitment and courage and have decided to join hands with you in your struggle. Our nation has several weaknesses which are being tactfully exploited by those who mean no good to us. I shall write a few of them in my next post. We as a nation are displaying a frightening indifference which was characteristic of French nation before the mighty french revolution. Are the days of toddies of the west and tyrants like Mushraf and BB numbered numbered now? Is it time now to get up and move. Is it time now to change a shove into a push?</p>
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		<title>By: awwab saleem</title>
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		<dc:creator>awwab saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;BAAT TO SUCH HEY...MAGAR BAAT HEY RUSWAAI KI...
(True is the talk...but it carries shame...)&lt;/em&gt;

When I read such truth, my head inclines forward in shame and a sort of guilt. Being an able bodied Pakistani I see it getting destroyed and do nothing. Am I guilty? 

OR when you cannot do anything in the face of oppression, perhaps fleeing is still the better option than sitting in the midst with eyes closed OR thinking nothing is wrong OR WORSE, being a party to the looters and plunderers.

I remember it was about 30 years ago, you, Anwaar gave me Ayn Rand&#039;s book, &quot;ATLAS SHRUGGED&quot;. I could not comprehend it then but I do remember JHON GALT against the oppression, compelling &quot;THE GOOD PEOPLE&quot;..to leave..to flee..to ATLANTIS. Where is our Atlantis?  None other than the dear land.

Now you Anwaar, our Jhon Galt, are telling us TO SPEAK OUT. You are right. Speak out we should. Something would stir and then it may lead to action one day. They say that the flutter of the wings of a butterfly has an EFFECT. Speaking and writing would have a much bigger effect than that.

May you remain bold, remain courageous and may we all wipe off our tears and decide to do something...AAMEEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>BAAT TO SUCH HEY&#8230;MAGAR BAAT HEY RUSWAAI KI&#8230;<br />
(True is the talk&#8230;but it carries shame&#8230;)</em></p>
<p>When I read such truth, my head inclines forward in shame and a sort of guilt. Being an able bodied Pakistani I see it getting destroyed and do nothing. Am I guilty? </p>
<p>OR when you cannot do anything in the face of oppression, perhaps fleeing is still the better option than sitting in the midst with eyes closed OR thinking nothing is wrong OR WORSE, being a party to the looters and plunderers.</p>
<p>I remember it was about 30 years ago, you, Anwaar gave me Ayn Rand&#8217;s book, &#8220;ATLAS SHRUGGED&#8221;. I could not comprehend it then but I do remember JHON GALT against the oppression, compelling &#8220;THE GOOD PEOPLE&#8221;..to leave..to flee..to ATLANTIS. Where is our Atlantis?  None other than the dear land.</p>
<p>Now you Anwaar, our Jhon Galt, are telling us TO SPEAK OUT. You are right. Speak out we should. Something would stir and then it may lead to action one day. They say that the flutter of the wings of a butterfly has an EFFECT. Speaking and writing would have a much bigger effect than that.</p>
<p>May you remain bold, remain courageous and may we all wipe off our tears and decide to do something&#8230;AAMEEN</p>
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		<title>By: Anwaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better minds than mine have commented. I thank you all. Please continue to thrash the issue threadbare. This is the least we can contribute.

To M Shahid Khan;

Shahid, I guess the problem is the majority ALLOWING itself to becoming hostage of the minority. Won&#039;t you agree?

To Liz,

Liz again, the real problem, in my opinion, is ALLOWING the minuscule, though all powerful, &quot;Imperialists/Zionists&quot; to take us all for a ride. Weakness invites control. And that is exactly what we have done.

To Shahid Nisar;

Please do go ahead and get it published as far and wide as possible. Let this be the beginning of our riposte. Use my name sir, but please be aware that I do not have copyrights to the picture that goes with the article.

Anwaar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better minds than mine have commented. I thank you all. Please continue to thrash the issue threadbare. This is the least we can contribute.</p>
<p>To M Shahid Khan;</p>
<p>Shahid, I guess the problem is the majority ALLOWING itself to becoming hostage of the minority. Won&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<p>To Liz,</p>
<p>Liz again, the real problem, in my opinion, is ALLOWING the minuscule, though all powerful, &#8220;Imperialists/Zionists&#8221; to take us all for a ride. Weakness invites control. And that is exactly what we have done.</p>
<p>To Shahid Nisar;</p>
<p>Please do go ahead and get it published as far and wide as possible. Let this be the beginning of our riposte. Use my name sir, but please be aware that I do not have copyrights to the picture that goes with the article.</p>
<p>Anwaar</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Nisar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahid Nisar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anwaar,
May I have your permission to have this article published in the newspapers, under your name? Plz, we need people of ur thought and calibre to make a difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anwaar,<br />
May I have your permission to have this article published in the newspapers, under your name? Plz, we need people of ur thought and calibre to make a difference!</p>
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		<title>By: liz burbank</title>
		<link>http://truthspring.info/2007/10/22/pakistan-my-fatherland-i-weep-for-thee/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>liz burbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anwaar, as many readers commented, your passionate poetic testimony is profoundly moving.
 
As others noted, beyond the emotions and awareness you share with us, is the question your gift poses implicitly: what is to be done?
 
To seriously grapple with this question we must understand the forces behind the barbaric destruction wreaked on your country, and so much more of the world, to discover our allies and enemies, and to forge a path of liberation forward.

Towards that,wouldn&#039;t it help to take your  testimony a qualitative leap further by naming the enemy, the u.s. and its &#039;ME&#039; proxy israel since imperialist zionism is the major force behind the genocidal state terrorist war for world domination threatening the future of the world and humanity?
 
This suggestion is offered so your poetic resistance may become the most powerful cultural-political weapon possible in the peoples&#039; struggle for justice and peace against the perpetrators of historically unprecedented crimes against humanity.

Thank you for your truth, passion and courage anwaar,

Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anwaar, as many readers commented, your passionate poetic testimony is profoundly moving.</p>
<p>As others noted, beyond the emotions and awareness you share with us, is the question your gift poses implicitly: what is to be done?</p>
<p>To seriously grapple with this question we must understand the forces behind the barbaric destruction wreaked on your country, and so much more of the world, to discover our allies and enemies, and to forge a path of liberation forward.</p>
<p>Towards that,wouldn&#8217;t it help to take your  testimony a qualitative leap further by naming the enemy, the u.s. and its &#8216;ME&#8217; proxy israel since imperialist zionism is the major force behind the genocidal state terrorist war for world domination threatening the future of the world and humanity?</p>
<p>This suggestion is offered so your poetic resistance may become the most powerful cultural-political weapon possible in the peoples&#8217; struggle for justice and peace against the perpetrators of historically unprecedented crimes against humanity.</p>
<p>Thank you for your truth, passion and courage anwaar,</p>
<p>Liz</p>
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		<title>By: M Shahid Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Shahid Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent article. The efforts are highly appreciated. The point is that all moderate, educated people of Pakistan understand. Even it can be said the mijority in Pakistan understand all these facts and accept it. The problem is with a small group not ready to understand and creating disaster for Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article. The efforts are highly appreciated. The point is that all moderate, educated people of Pakistan understand. Even it can be said the mijority in Pakistan understand all these facts and accept it. The problem is with a small group not ready to understand and creating disaster for Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the taking of extra space....forgot to add this to my reply:

If and when I partner up with any religious leader, I look for those who offer truth, because as Susan B. Anthony said, &quot;I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.&quot; 
 
Here&#039;s one example of a cleric/priest I&#039;d sit up and pay attention to:
&quot;The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.&quot; â€” Edward Dowling, Editor and Priest, Chicago Daily News, 28jul, 1941</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the taking of extra space&#8230;.forgot to add this to my reply:</p>
<p>If and when I partner up with any religious leader, I look for those who offer truth, because as Susan B. Anthony said, &#8220;I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.&#8221; </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one example of a cleric/priest I&#8217;d sit up and pay attention to:<br />
&#8220;The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.&#8221; â€” Edward Dowling, Editor and Priest, Chicago Daily News, 28jul, 1941</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anwaar:

Your obvious grief has been noted and I offer my condolences. The question now is: What&#039;s next? 

Mahboob K.&#039;s reply is one that deserves dialogue because it seems to me that the travesty of innocent people being blown apart is not directly related to the &quot;demons of extremism&quot; but rather, to a few corrupt power hungry individuals who will harness the spewing of religious claptrap to cover their tracks. Big fish in a little pond who are more than willing to sellout their people in order to hang on to power.

The fact of the matter is that the opposing parties of Musharraf and Bhutto are locked in a deadly struggle for power with the Bush administration brokering deals between them. Washington has a decades-long history of sustaining military rule in Pakistan, in pursuit of US imperialism&#039;s predatory ambitions in Central Asia and the Middle East. This and other matters of government are where yours and others efforts are needed. 

It is high time the people of our world, no matter where they live, get over discussing good and evil and begin to participate in the political climate of their countries. It seems as if people are cowering in fear instead of giving voice to their moderate or secular ideas, as the case may be. Also, many of your homeland&#039;s population leave the country; when this happens, do they plan to return after further education, to bring enlightenment and new leadership to the their home, or do they continue to sit from a distance still shaking with fear unable to return and get in the muck of it. 

What&#039;s your responsibility to your government? I&#039;ll tell you: Physically, to know what&#039;s happening. Don&#039;t go into a closet and think that it&#039;s going to take care of itself, because it won&#039;t. It&#039;s about choice! It continues to need the guidance of the group consciousness that founded it, and that is in the citizens. Don&#039;t let the divine principles of free choice slip away. Your country is only as good as your guidance of it, and unless you participate in the process set up to guide it, you&#039;ll receive the same energy as the other governments in history, which all self-destructed in time. 

Thanking you for your time and attention,

Yours in the Light,

Michelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anwaar:</p>
<p>Your obvious grief has been noted and I offer my condolences. The question now is: What&#8217;s next? </p>
<p>Mahboob K.&#8217;s reply is one that deserves dialogue because it seems to me that the travesty of innocent people being blown apart is not directly related to the &#8220;demons of extremism&#8221; but rather, to a few corrupt power hungry individuals who will harness the spewing of religious claptrap to cover their tracks. Big fish in a little pond who are more than willing to sellout their people in order to hang on to power.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that the opposing parties of Musharraf and Bhutto are locked in a deadly struggle for power with the Bush administration brokering deals between them. Washington has a decades-long history of sustaining military rule in Pakistan, in pursuit of US imperialism&#8217;s predatory ambitions in Central Asia and the Middle East. This and other matters of government are where yours and others efforts are needed. </p>
<p>It is high time the people of our world, no matter where they live, get over discussing good and evil and begin to participate in the political climate of their countries. It seems as if people are cowering in fear instead of giving voice to their moderate or secular ideas, as the case may be. Also, many of your homeland&#8217;s population leave the country; when this happens, do they plan to return after further education, to bring enlightenment and new leadership to the their home, or do they continue to sit from a distance still shaking with fear unable to return and get in the muck of it. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your responsibility to your government? I&#8217;ll tell you: Physically, to know what&#8217;s happening. Don&#8217;t go into a closet and think that it&#8217;s going to take care of itself, because it won&#8217;t. It&#8217;s about choice! It continues to need the guidance of the group consciousness that founded it, and that is in the citizens. Don&#8217;t let the divine principles of free choice slip away. Your country is only as good as your guidance of it, and unless you participate in the process set up to guide it, you&#8217;ll receive the same energy as the other governments in history, which all self-destructed in time. </p>
<p>Thanking you for your time and attention,</p>
<p>Yours in the Light,</p>
<p>Michelle</p>
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		<title>By: Malayalee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malayalee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What lesson has Pakistan learnt from 60 years of independent rule? The very foundation on which the Pakistani state was built seems to be shaking.

Faith is absolute and hence irrational. Politics cannot be irrational. Economic realities are not irrational.

When a state spends 80% of its budget on defence, how much would be left for the poor population?

Social justice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What lesson has Pakistan learnt from 60 years of independent rule? The very foundation on which the Pakistani state was built seems to be shaking.</p>
<p>Faith is absolute and hence irrational. Politics cannot be irrational. Economic realities are not irrational.</p>
<p>When a state spends 80% of its budget on defence, how much would be left for the poor population?</p>
<p>Social justice&#8230;</p>
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