Comments on: Rules of Engagement for America’s Victims http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/ Truth exists, falsehood has to be invented Sat, 24 Mar 2012 23:08:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: M. Sinjohn http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1333 M. Sinjohn Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:04:05 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1333 Who will help Americans in their efforts to liberate themselves and others from this illegitimate regime of psychotic and sociopathic fools, who can be found not only in this administration, but in the Congress and Courts of the land as well as the corporatist neoconservatives who do their dirty work from outside of D.C. and even outside of the country, itself, in many cases? For those who do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear, we have been witnessing and suffering from the effects of a Coup D Etat which began in this country in November, 1963 and was, for the most part, accomplished in June, 1968, when the imperialist fascists accomplished their first goal of murdering and/or demonizing all who stood against them. Since that time they have joined forces with certain religious leaders who call themselves Christian Zionists, as it would be unseemly for the U.S. to appear as anything but a Democratic Republic and the Imperialists needed the votes of the ignorant and the religiously insane in order to appear to have won elections whether or not they actually did win. They have used deception fear-mongering and have stirred hatred and vengeance-seeking among the people, both in this country and in other countries around the world. These evil-doers, in their current distressing disguises, have stolen power in an already horribly injured Democracy, not just once or even twice. (For future reference, any group of people who will do that, will do just about anything.) There are those of us, in America, who love our country, but not our government nor the corporatists who own it. We have, in every way we possibly could, legally and non-violently, refused to support the illegal and unjust war in Iraq and have actively resisted current American foreign policy, especially in the Middle East. Quite a few of us, those who could afford to do so, left the country years ago. Others of us chose to stay and struggle from within the belly of the beast,not only for ourselves and the country we love, but for the whole world, wherever people have been touched by U.S. munitions or corporate criminal misbehavior The time may be coming, and soon, when many of us will have to leave, perhaps forever, our homeland for various reasons, but always to seek political asylum and sanctuary wherever we can find it. Is there a nation out there who will liberate us, simply by giving us a place to stay in the world....until we can return home or until we pass into our real home, our source. Is there a nation or a people brave enough to anger the emperor? I wonder......... Who will help Americans in their efforts to liberate themselves and others from this illegitimate regime of psychotic and sociopathic fools, who can be found not only in this administration, but in the Congress and Courts of the land as well as the corporatist neoconservatives who do their dirty work from outside of D.C. and even outside of the country, itself, in many cases?

For those who do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear, we have been witnessing and suffering from the effects of a Coup D Etat which began in this country in November, 1963 and was, for the most part, accomplished in June, 1968, when the imperialist fascists accomplished their first goal of murdering and/or demonizing all who stood against them. Since that time they have joined forces with certain religious leaders who call themselves Christian Zionists, as it would be unseemly for the U.S. to appear as anything but a Democratic Republic and the Imperialists needed the votes of the ignorant and the religiously insane in order to appear to have won elections whether or not they actually did win. They have used deception fear-mongering and have stirred hatred and vengeance-seeking among the people, both in this country and in other countries around the world.

These evil-doers, in their current distressing disguises, have stolen power in an already horribly injured Democracy, not just once or even twice. (For future reference, any group of people who will do that, will do just about anything.)

There are those of us, in America, who love our country, but not our government nor the corporatists who own it. We have, in every way we possibly could, legally and non-violently, refused to support the illegal and unjust war in Iraq and have actively resisted current American foreign policy, especially in the Middle East.

Quite a few of us, those who could afford to do so,
left the country years ago. Others of us chose to stay and struggle from within the belly of the beast,not only for ourselves and the country we love, but for the whole world, wherever people have been touched by U.S. munitions or corporate criminal misbehavior

The time may be coming, and soon, when many of us will have to leave, perhaps forever, our homeland for various reasons, but always to seek political asylum and sanctuary wherever we can find it.

Is there a nation out there who will liberate us, simply by giving us a place to stay in the world….until we can return home or until we pass into our real home, our source.

Is there a nation or a people brave enough to anger the emperor?

I wonder………

]]> By: Jonathan Stephenson http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1162 Jonathan Stephenson Mon, 19 May 2008 04:30:06 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1162 I took in my previous post the position of The US Military and Government doing this to our own citizenry, but now looking at this as in the "VICFORs" scenario as painted above, I believe we would see at first scattered resistence, but as the violence rose and the systems of modern civilized life disappeared, violence would escalate across the breadth of the country, but particularly in the Great American West, and the heavily forested east, VICFORs would hold unquesioned, but not unapposed power over the center of our nation and would be forced to reduce the major US Population Centers to the point of non funtionality in an attempt to quell violence, driving residents in mass into more remote areas of the country, and accross the borders into Canada and Mexico, seriously destabilizing those two nations. Violence by this point would be escalating on both sides, within two years I'd say, to the point of uncontrolled chaos and with only the possibility of it's continuation until all foreign forces would be forced to withdraw their forces, from the USA, for victory would be seen as impossible. At this point we would likely see the USA split up into several nations with continuing hostilities between them, acting out as far as we could see into the future. We could expect that these states will together between them have lost 50 to 100 million citizens, and that constant territorial wars between the new national identities involved will require periodic world interventions for many decades to come. Those nations who will have launched these actions will in the end, find themselves impoverished to the point of political instabilities, and declining economic standings in the world. The status of nations will have been turned on their heads, the haves, now the have nots, and vice versa! The world itself will suffer from ever increasing terrorist type activities, as the continued demonstrations to peoples of impoverished nations and peoples around the world, that brute power alone cannot take and remake the world in any positive way, but indeed terrorism can! As long as unthinking people in power in those nations who see themselves as morally superior continue to respond in kind to this type of attack, terrorism will prove ever more the means for people without power, to gain it, and we will drift ominously towards a new dark age of depreciated life and ever shifting political intrigues. Within a century the world will have either been forced into a one world government of total authority, or have broken up into a patchwork of new nation states unrecognizable to any person of this day and age, and this new age shall be called, "The age of Lose, Lose"! I'm not really sure if most people realize how close we are to the above scenario, either world totalitarianism, or world revolution and chaos, for I do not see your scenario Anwaar as far fetched, nor do I see it as something unique, it has happened many times before in history, and I believe one of these scenarios or WW3 are now inevitable! In any respect, the present USA will be a patchwork of small weak nation states, rather ignored by other parts of the world, but for our terrorist activities against them, or the world organization then in charge, or part of what is left of a world ravaged by a World War 3 with a worse living standard for all, than that of the darkest ages ever before for all surviving mankind on Earth. I took in my previous post the position of The US Military and Government doing this to our own citizenry, but now looking at this as in the “VICFORs” scenario as painted above, I believe we would see at first scattered resistence, but as the violence rose and the systems of modern civilized life disappeared, violence would escalate across the breadth of the country, but particularly in the Great American West, and the heavily forested east, VICFORs would hold unquesioned, but not unapposed power over the center of our nation and would be forced to reduce the major US Population Centers to the point of non funtionality in an attempt to quell violence, driving residents in mass into more remote areas of the country, and accross the borders into Canada and Mexico, seriously destabilizing those two nations. Violence by this point would be escalating on both sides, within two years I’d say, to the point of uncontrolled chaos and with only the possibility of it’s continuation until all foreign forces would be forced to withdraw their forces, from the USA, for victory would be seen as impossible. At this point we would likely see the USA split up into several nations with continuing hostilities between them, acting out as far as we could see into the future. We could expect that these states will together between them have lost 50 to 100 million citizens, and that constant territorial wars between the new national identities involved will require periodic world interventions for many decades to come. Those nations who will have launched these actions will in the end, find themselves impoverished to the point of political instabilities, and declining economic standings in the world. The status of nations will have been turned on their heads, the haves, now the have nots, and vice versa! The world itself will suffer from ever increasing terrorist type activities, as the continued demonstrations to peoples of impoverished nations and peoples around the world, that brute power alone cannot take and remake the world in any positive way, but indeed terrorism can! As long as unthinking people in power in those nations who see themselves as morally superior continue to respond in kind to this type of attack, terrorism will prove ever more the means for people without power, to gain it, and we will drift ominously towards a new dark age of depreciated life and ever shifting political intrigues. Within a century the world will have either been forced into a one world government of total authority, or have broken up into a patchwork of new nation states unrecognizable to any person of this day and age, and this new age shall be called, “The age of Lose, Lose”!

I’m not really sure if most people realize how close we are to the above scenario, either world totalitarianism, or world revolution and chaos, for I do not see your scenario Anwaar as far fetched, nor do I see it as something unique, it has happened many times before in history, and I believe one of these scenarios or WW3 are now inevitable!

In any respect, the present USA will be a patchwork of small weak nation states, rather ignored by other parts of the world, but for our terrorist activities against them, or the world organization then in charge, or part of what is left of a world ravaged by a World War 3 with a worse living standard for all, than that of the darkest ages ever before for all surviving mankind on Earth.

]]> By: Pervaiz http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1161 Pervaiz Sun, 18 May 2008 16:26:31 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1161 That kind of scenario is far fetched. For present,the VICFORs are wrong; might is right. That kind of scenario is far fetched. For present,the VICFORs are wrong; might is right.

]]> By: Michelle http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1160 Michelle Sun, 18 May 2008 12:43:44 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1160 Re: Solutions « Reply #27 Today at 4:19pm » Some Truth About Nonviolent Action And the Power you Hold Strategic nonviolence has the potential to empower citizens, thwart coups, overthrow dictators and defend nations. This post explores the potential of civilian-based defense—the technique of defending a nation's social institutions using strategic nonviolent action. It is based on the book The Politics of Nonviolent Action, a book by Gene Sharp. Historians, who are funded and published by the power elite, have steered citizens away from the fact that Nonviolent Action works. People, stop giving your power away to those who would enslave you! Michelle SEE: http://airdance.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=solutions&action=display&thread=144&page=2#2942 Re: Solutions
« Reply #27 Today at 4:19pm »

Some Truth About Nonviolent Action
And the Power you Hold

Strategic nonviolence has the potential to empower citizens, thwart coups, overthrow dictators and defend nations. This post explores the potential of civilian-based defense—the technique of defending a nation’s social institutions using strategic nonviolent action. It is based on the book The Politics of Nonviolent Action, a book by Gene Sharp.

Historians, who are funded and published by the power elite, have steered citizens away from the fact that Nonviolent Action works. People, stop giving your power away to those who would enslave you!
Michelle

SEE:
http://airdance.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=solutions&action=display&thread=144&page=2#2942

]]> By: Anwaar http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1159 Anwaar Sun, 18 May 2008 05:38:48 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1159 That was the intent Robert. VICNATs, VENTCOM and VICFORs are most likely to become the beasts in the process. The victims becoming the tormentors is only too well known to us. What an irony Robert, what an irony. That was the intent Robert. VICNATs, VENTCOM and VICFORs are most likely to become the beasts in the process. The victims becoming the tormentors is only too well known to us.

What an irony Robert, what an irony.

]]> By: Robert Klassen http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1158 Robert Klassen Sun, 18 May 2008 05:14:15 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1158 The VICFORS in this scenario face the same problem that the US faces in the Middle East and makes the same mistakes. 4GW cannot be won, and the aggressors will be bled to death while trying to follow top-down directives like this. Provocative essay, Anwaar. The VICFORS in this scenario face the same problem that the US faces in the Middle East and makes the same mistakes. 4GW cannot be won, and the aggressors will be bled to death while trying to follow top-down directives like this.

Provocative essay, Anwaar.

]]> By: Bob http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 Bob Sun, 18 May 2008 00:17:35 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1152 I was brought up to believe that Hitler was uniquely Evil. If Americans are expected to accept what the USA is doing now ---then logic tells us that Americans can no longer be expected to condemn Hitler for invading Poland and Russia. I was brought up to believe that Hitler was uniquely Evil. If Americans are expected to accept what the USA is doing now —then logic tells us that Americans can no longer be expected to condemn Hitler for invading Poland and Russia.

]]> By: Jonathan Stephenson http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-1151 Jonathan Stephenson Sun, 18 May 2008 00:16:52 +0000 http://truthspring.info/2008/05/17/rules-of-engagement-for-america%e2%80%99s-victims/#comment-1151 Unfortunately, all too real, both abroad and in the USA and also in the home nations of our so called willing friends. The USA has built detention camps capable of holding from between 10 to 50 million, depending on the source cited, it has built thousands of rail cars armed with bench seating and handcuffs to transport hundreds in each car, cuffed and shackled, to the aformentioned detention camps. They are practing exercises throughout the country now on doing this, and they have staffed the camps and involved Blackwater in their plans. They have gotten rid of the restraints against using our own troops against our own people here at home, have passed a law allowing the president to nationalize each states National Guard, and are finishing up militarizing the various state, and large city police departments around the nation. Yes my fellow Americans, this is soon coming to a place near you, and then you; so go on dreaming and making plans for your nonexistent futures, and by all means spend any money you have now, for not only will it be worthless soon, there will be no need of it, once you are in the camps! Slumber on!!!! Unfortunately, all too real, both abroad and in the USA and also in the home nations of our so called willing friends. The USA has built detention camps capable of holding from between 10 to 50 million, depending on the source cited, it has built thousands of rail cars armed with bench seating and handcuffs to transport hundreds in each car, cuffed and shackled, to the aformentioned detention camps. They are practing exercises throughout the country now on doing this, and they have staffed the camps and involved Blackwater in their plans. They have gotten rid of the restraints against using our own troops against our own people here at home, have passed a law allowing the president to nationalize each states National Guard, and are finishing up militarizing the various state, and large city police departments around the nation. Yes my fellow Americans, this is soon coming to a place near you, and then you; so go on dreaming and making plans for your nonexistent futures, and by all means spend any money you have now, for not only will it be worthless soon, there will be no need of it, once you are in the camps!

Slumber on!!!!

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